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November 23, 2005

Early for Blog Against Racism Day

Because Twisty shouldn't be puking all by herself, I present the worst thing about being a white guy in love with an Asian woman: people sometimes mistake you for one of these assholes.

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Took her out for a test drive, kicked the tires, checked out the steering...arrrgh

Posted by: rose at November 23, 2005 11:27 AM
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Blruaaghhghh! Ulg!

Posted by: Twisty at November 23, 2005 12:50 PM
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Thank you for reminding me why I like living alone.

The Thanksgiving post filled me with romantic longing and this conveniently washed it all away.

Posted by: Brenna at November 23, 2005 01:28 PM
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All I know is the net-nanny here at work doesn't care for it.

Posted by: Stephanie at November 23, 2005 02:13 PM
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Yikes.

Posted by: Charles at November 23, 2005 02:27 PM
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For a very long time dpr and I had dear friends. The husband was a white New Englander and the wife was from the People's Republic of China. He was a jerk, but she was a brilliant PhD grad student studying International Economics. We loved her and tolerated him. We spent a lot of time with them, and once took a road trip together to Humboldt County. On the trip home, we stopped to get gas, dpr and the wife went into the market, while I filled the car with gas. While in the market some guy asked dpr if the asian woman he was with was his mail-order bride! Man, they make the best wives, he said. He had just ordered one.

Posted by: Rexroth's Daughter at November 23, 2005 02:31 PM
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My wife and I have been together almost 20 years now. I can't help but wonder what people in Thailand think when they see us together. I'm just as guilty, though, I think. "What's that fat Euro-slob doing with that young, energetic Thai beauty?" Look in the mirror.

Fortunately it's not about what other people think - or at least it shouldn't be. I find myself trying to set the record straight too often, though.

Q: Where did you meet your wife?
A: In Thailand.
Q: Oh...
A: Yes, she had just FINISHED UNIVERSITY and was WAITING TO BE PLACED AS A HIGH SCHOOL ENGLISH TEACHER BY THE GOVERNMENT when I met her...

Perhaps it would be easier if I didn't care... But then I'd be just like Haruna's asshole stalker in the story Chris linked to above.

Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at November 23, 2005 02:43 PM
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Stereotypes are definitely easier to disregard when you're a white woman with an Asian husband—those mail-order/geisha scenarios don't cross over to the men. In fact, if there are pernicious stereotypes about Asian men (or the women who love them) that are widely held by white folks, I can't say I've heard 'em.

Posted by: Orange at November 23, 2005 02:54 PM
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There was a bit of a scandal over a similar incident a few months ago here in Australia. John Brogden, leader of the New South Wales Liberal party, was expected to win the as premier of the NSW legislative assumbly. He had a few beers at a function one night, and called (former premier) Bob Carr's wife "a mail order bride". Helena Carr is of Malaysian origin. Brogden resigned a month later as leader of the Libs, and the premiership went to a relative unknown, Morris Iemma, staying within the Labor party. (As an aside, Brogden also pinched one journalists's bottom, and propositioned another. Good party, John!)

Posted by: elissa at November 24, 2005 03:29 PM
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Tsk. He also gives Nice Guys a bad name. . . .

Posted by: Mister Nice Guy at November 24, 2005 04:47 PM
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I think moonbats just like being pissed off; it's one emotion that not only masks your crippling guilt but also allows you to feel holier than, well, him. I haven't been able to connect to any typepad blogs for the last month or so, so I don't know what twisty said, but the linked blog page seemed innocuous enough to me. As with the cartoon: where's the racism? (It's possible I read that post too fast; if so, feel free to hit me over the head with some obvious quotes. Otherwise, Jesus, lighten up; aren't there enough real assholes in the world that need condeming?)

Posted by: ostranenie at November 25, 2005 01:56 AM
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I'm afraid if I read too much of that site I'll figure out who all the players are ... pretty sure already I know of one or two of them.

Posted by: Roxanne at November 25, 2005 08:31 AM
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Ostranenie, if you can't see the racism - and sexism - in the notion that American women are harridans, while Asian women know how to treat a man, then I'm afraid we don't have much to talk about.

Posted by: Chris Clarke at November 25, 2005 08:35 AM
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Ostranenie, I'd encourage you to check out the "Nice Guy" homepage/mission statement on how spoiled/unattractive/whiny/generally appalling *all* American women between the ages of 16 and 35 are. See if you don't think he's a total assmunch once you've read *that*. Gah.

Posted by: Ancrene Wiseass at November 25, 2005 10:34 AM
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When I saw the 14 Jul 05 date of the linked post, I figured you were specifying that particular post rather than that whole blog (which I didn't look at). I don't find the notion that "American women are harridans, while Asian women know how to treat a man" in that particular post. So now I'm wondering: did all ten of the previous commenters take the time to check out his whole site? This seems unlikely, so I still think there's something in that post that I'm missing. Anyway, as I've said before, I don't think pointing out cultural or sexual differences is racist or sexist. I presume you'll agree that there are differences between Japanese women in general and American women in general; that is, you do know what he's talking about, don't you? If so, what sort of statements are acceptable to describe these differences, and what sort are "racist"? I think you define a "racist/sexist" remark as one that uses a pejorative adjective in a cultural/gender generalization. But what if they're true? Let's take the statement "American women are harridans compared to Japanese women." Now let's imagine we take a poll of men with American partners and men with Japanese partners and ask them how many times a week they get scolded by those partners. Finally, let's wildly pretend that we discover that American women scold their partners significantly more often than Japanese women. You must agree that, in this scenario, the data supports the assertion. My question: is that assertion nevertheless racist or sexist? If you answer yes, then you're right, we really don't have much to talk about (because to me, a racist or sexist remark would always be incorrect). But if you answer no, then, let the fun begin. (And, really, it should be fun, because this is often a funny topic.)

Posted by: ostranenie at November 26, 2005 09:31 PM
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The guy has a website devoted to his dislike of "Ameriskanks" and he writes about how he won't let (let! as if she has no say in such things) his Japanese girlfriend be in the states for more than a few weeks because she'll become tainted. He obviously holds women in high esteem, including his girlfriend.

Ostranenie, you sound like real charmer.

Posted by: amandyman at November 28, 2005 05:35 PM
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Did anyone make it this far:

I looked deep into her pupils. She nodded slowly, never breaking her trance.

We should at least be grateful for the laugh.

Posted by: eRobin at November 29, 2005 04:16 AM
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