Toad in the Hole

December 20, 2005

Shoutout to my Homie

Since Pharyngula's offline at the moment (Coincidence? Hm.) I'll take the opportunity to cheer the Harrisburg PA judge who decided for the plaintiffsand against teaching "Intelligent Design" in science courses in the Dover ID case.

I particularly liked the no-bullshit quality of these:
"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote.
"We find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom," he wrote in his 139-page opinion.
"It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

I take the occasion also to remember the actual outcome of the famous-all-over-town Harrisburg 8, um, 6 Trial.

ETA: Pharyngula's back -- I assume it's being overwhelmed with enthusiastic mobs. Here's a link to a PDF of Judge Jones': decision.

Posted at December 20, 2005 05:40 PM


sadly, the church of FSM may now have lost its bid for equal time in the public schools. it has been revealed to me, personally, that many teens are practicing pastafarians. they may not admit their devotion publicly, due to social pressure from non-believers.

we can blame those activist judges appointed by W. they should know, ya gotta dance with the one that brung ya.

it was probably that rudimentary education in science that caused this result. we know the enemy, and the enemy is [insert your high school science teachers, even the one who got so distracted that no one actually completed the dissection of frogs to see firsthand what was in there, but she tested on it anyway...].

Posted by: kathy a at December 20, 2005 07:41 PM

That's OK, we'll teach the Divine Saucy Goodness where kids learn best -- out back in the alley.

Can I get a Ramen?!

Posted by: Ron at December 21, 2005 12:06 AM

mmm, back alley alfredo and marinara! ramen for all!!

Posted by: kathy a at December 21, 2005 05:12 AM

While I tend to agree with the critics of the methods used to hurl information at our children, and while I myself look askance at groups who try to bring religious education into the secular classroom, I find myself torn on this.

It is all well and good for someone to state that they do not believe in a higher power, and to claim that any reference to such is offensive to them, it is another matter entirely to militantly force that viewpoint down the throats of the rest of the world...Just as a profound agnostic finds it violently offensive to be 'witnessed to' by folk with a religion to peddle, so do those of us who(intelligently and after much research, free thinking, and self searching, believe it or not) follow an 'organized religion' find it offensive to be militantly repressed and forbidden to observe what is most meaningful to us.

On that note, and to bring this back on topic, I am, as I stated, leery of intelligent design being taught in the schools..MAINLY because I have found these 'teachings' to be designed by arrogant, self serving fools who want to push *their* dogma..for *their* ends, rather than adhering to the bare bones of the central idea....

On the other hand, I find myself viscerally angered by those who attack any attempt to teach any form of information on even the POSSIBILITY of intelligent design. To me this smacks of fascism. How DARE anyone presume to tell me what I can and cannot be taught, much less THINK or DO?

SCHOOL is about learning. LEARNING is about understanding, processing, and storing information to make informed choices to assist in achieving a desired outcome or state of being, and any attempt to supress, debunk, politicize, or worse make illegal or 'immoral' information, particularly such widely believed information, is nothing short of a crime against humanity.

Now..with *THAT* all said..

Why can't people simply agree to disagree, and present *ALL* information with the simple proviso that 'it is up to the reader to glean what truths they can, religious, scientific, or otherwise from the material herein'?

Has common bloody sense been eradicated from the gene pool?

JEERS to both the folks who tried to ram their seriously skewed view of 'intelligent design' down the school systems throat AND the pathetic, rudderless hulks that decried all such information as doggerel, lies, and scientific heresy.

The only truth in the world is that the only thing we TRULY that we know nothing.


Posted by: David Brown at January 29, 2006 02:02 AM